Episode 5: Purple Hibiscus by Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie, chosen by Nana Biamah-Ofosu and Laura Evans

00:00:00: Welcome everyone to the first episode of ink.

00:00:05: Abigail love today we'll be talking about purple hibiscus by chimamanda ngozi adichie which was published in 2003 and for the first time we doing a book online

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00:00:20: A different location to others namely my epilepsy and elysia Rubicon AK

00:00:28: I deleted that I'm currently in outside of loose and very beautiful house and Helen Thomas from womenwritingarchitecture.org.

00:00:43: Are all in London I'll guess Laura and Nana shows the book today they're both Architects and scholars working at Kingston University London Laura you are also a co-founder of

00:00:56: the practice how long is Evans Architects and Nana co-founder studio.

00:01:04: The book we talked about today is I think.

00:01:07: Earliest work or one of her earliest works books protagonist and narrator is Camberley.

00:01:15: A 15-year old girl or young woman get more into internet to living with her wealthy Catholic family brother's mother and father in enugu Nigeria.

00:01:29: The bookies on the one hand and account of postcolonial Nigeria.

00:01:34: Brought with political economical turmoil and on the other a Coming of Age story.

00:01:41: Of Camberley are who's trying to make sure under the violent paycheck that is her father.

00:01:48: Darken several important

00:01:51: domestic sites in this book that I think we'll be talking about very contrasting sites and what they represent for cantilever door in the political context of this book.

00:02:03: So getting to that and the ties Orsett architecture and how you worked with this book which I really really like to talk about Laura and Nana tell us why you chose his book.

00:02:15: I'm going to go first so therefore taken away.

00:02:24: I am and I was a reader of it so long before I was marked funnily enough I came to this book through or so then you can never lose it to this already in the first year of the pandemic.

00:02:39: Andrew Clancy and I was masters in Kingston which was based around the idea of infection.

00:02:49: We had 15 of 16 individual books and those books provided the sites for students whether that was in the car.

00:02:57: Sentence for they would simply Santa booking this location or whether you know in the more ambitious cases that became also the international setting so this was the 15.

00:03:10: And that was how I came to reach us and I think and are many many things I love about it but I think I did Cheers.

00:03:19: Why of looking at the world's which is somehow you know very very very attentive to the smallest detail of

00:03:28: architecture landscape of weather but also of of Human Relations United States only 26 when it was written and actually I think her

00:03:37: recall and heard wires train experience the child is really really fat

00:03:46: which.

00:03:51: Thank you and also passed the same place tomorrow about how I came to this book.

00:04:00: I also always really enjoyed reading and for me I was thought that if I wasn't enough text could be a writer

00:04:07: fix my bike.

00:04:16: Are stories and weather in physical manifestations of buildings or how we come to make buildings but also infection and through the

00:04:25: different lies that I told and different stories am I came to

00:04:29: no my work actually threw her second book half a yellow sun so that was the first work but that I wrote that are red

00:04:41: and I was immediately to her to her writing

00:04:45: quickly what's really true me today

00:04:51: where Brighton was the best time I could understand the place I'm from as well as the Architecture I'm interested.

00:05:00: And it felt like a really strong moments

00:05:03: reconcile two things that I hold dear I'll text you but also actually architecture.

00:05:10: Africa and the kind of architects of my new grown up more specifically the architects in West Africa and I found that in the details writing she was able to

00:05:21: completely right behind a sense of familiarity about places that I knew

00:05:26: cases that had been either obscured or not appreciated perhaps of my kind of formal training as an architect and Reading

00:05:35: working landscapes to describe the small kind of villains have me plants2gardens the kind of streets of markets and

00:05:45: from the Cannibal large-scale descriptions and places to the most intimate scale of a room of a study these all felt like.

00:05:53: Places that I knew and I need for my childhood memory and they're not of the same country and dynein but there was something that seems to transcend borders in her writing and the way the community

00:06:06: and I think specifically to purple hibiscus I think she also had a way of really

00:06:12: using places to talk about larger ideas about countries about self-actualisation about who people wants to be and what act of the Architecture and built environment of that place said about that kind of search for the factorization and the postcolonial context and so

00:06:29: some of the reasons I love you

00:06:35: it's interesting because we're she just described the same feeling I think I like.

00:06:42: To my can relate to so make

00:06:49: and books like history books I like the tree chapters you do during your I don't know my high school and you for 3-months and then you close the chapters again

00:06:59: when you think about colonialism and it's really this edition of it and maybe like some streets in Paris

00:07:09: when my brother is leaving for instance that are exactly what was

00:07:13: describe in some parts of the book like this 7th density of population.

00:07:19: I mean this is maybe the connection I have.

00:07:24: Read a book in French also because I was so starting to be less obsessed with the idea of always reading things in the original and language and also frenchies from you.

00:07:37: Language delivery but I had this really strange feeling

00:07:42: it took me a few pages to get into the because they are transported into this family

00:07:50: I was imagining the family speaking French in Nigeria knowing that they would stay deeble and English Muslim and.

00:08:00: Layers of complexity at the Beginning for me the trust I think they're all booked is the product and the distinction between your own original

00:08:12: maybe part of something bigger and.

00:08:16: Question about your project with the students union who works with this world and yet she made some of the book mean.

00:08:30: Little bit more about that because I think that has leaves

00:08:35: yeah I mean by you can see very far.

00:08:41: In a way that which was was quite productive so he tried to extend the narrative of the novel and.

00:08:50: To change the Arc so if you have it doesn't go to America and his special things but she becomes professor at the end of this kind of this narrative about her being there

00:09:02: forever and United trying to cuddle

00:09:04: career path analysis which he responded and so he is projectors into parts heaters irons house for her and her family got the Heist professor

00:09:17: and as part of university and.

00:09:20: But then he also designs and you are at school that would belong to the interest back in a new and so she

00:09:31: he's I suppose he found a way to check.

00:09:38: Fashion United to look at the situation and to see ok well if you like fanfictions and I really good FanFiction but with architecture

00:09:48: you know look at building on the cultural and political setting described in the novel to expand it into something concrete.

00:09:57: And you can see that's the only womenwritingarchitecture.org yes you can yes that's right but then I have to think about something

00:10:05: I don't have any recently

00:10:08: Things Fall Apart when we are going to do this and it is one of the most amazing book

00:10:16: evered and I think she met she makes so many reference with us so that the first line in the first where she starts with a bit but I don't want to get it wrong

00:10:30: rainforest for Lacoste at home when my brother Joe did not go to Communion and Papas heavy masala cross the road

00:10:37: and break the figurines on there to Jeff and to start with Things Fall Apart I think it's such a crucial reference actually two kind of power

00:10:47: set this book with Anakin in longer trajectories of people writing about.

00:10:54: About the Southeast Nigeria she's making a really

00:10:57: conscious reference to HMS writings and Things Fall Apart is also document so kind of Fall of a man in kind of and ties with colonialism and this time of idea his own history and I think

00:11:12: but you could actually say that the father is set on GTA

00:11:22: Things Fall Apart sport between the kind of need for a kind of certain respectability

00:11:27: and that comes with colonialism and religion in the world and also his own kind of History.

00:11:34: And I think his father is sister a kind of memories of battle pass and ice always found to me when I read this book what's really stood out to me what's the kind of.

00:11:46: The ways in which places were described or the Architecture the went with a different places to describe something that can be described as and what they mean

00:11:56: grand Mason

00:11:58: emptiness of her father's house is high walls it's kind of she makes that really present in the

00:12:08: by describing the architects in the way that you really understand the kind of oppression and repression of such as space where is described as seen from his house with its garden

00:12:17: hibiscus planting.

00:12:22: Very small intimate house there's something about the way that the Architecture reflects.

00:12:28: The feelings and emotions that I find really interesting but they're also making a larger commentary on the kinds of effects of.

00:12:35: Architecture of mechanically Neil past of a kind and military government and I think those things are really interesting

00:12:44: reflections and I think that there's starts with background of connection to the Japanese writing doesn't phenomenal job it's.

00:12:52: Putting a whole story together and after I read this actually and I have the Alexandra Redditch Abbey and there was a country which is an autobiography who wrote it's about

00:13:03: about the biafra war and it was kind of a really.

00:13:09: Great Khali trilogy books at the same time and I think actually writes about

00:13:21: and and does it's not you it's not often that we get some saucy the wisdom of The Ocean with a young so she's kind of

00:13:30: making compliment she lives in his house a child.

00:13:37: Something really interesting about the book in that actually real place in the

00:13:46: she lived in in his house every child some of the time but also she's her parents were in the universe so if you haven't beginning this lipsticks the Emily with also talking about

00:14:01: that makes it so intimate and so powerful but also I think

00:14:07: but I really like enjoyed it architect the way that she had lived in these houses in reality.

00:14:13: Also make 50 cheese making in Nigeria tradition of literature by building a con

00:14:19: the cheapest amazing Foundation challenge

00:14:32: if you're fond some instrumental ways of dealing with you everyday I get it your practice.

00:14:38: Today I was wondering myself whole this was happening for me in the book and link to what you said hello.

00:14:47: Kimberley group in this house where everything is in Abingdon you change the curtains every.

00:14:55: Every year you have two there is one person if you

00:15:00: she's describing our should you flash your toilets what are every hours just to get like fresh water when kimberly's going away from the house

00:15:11: tomorrow in the health centre and place she discovers

00:15:18: do they have on the tree rooms to make in space and she discovered electricity and water

00:15:31: is not flowing in Abingdon self replace and there is much less space

00:15:36: this was acting the way she can adapt to this new accidents it's ok to have less confirm this is for me something that's maybe I can relate to the

00:15:49: and solution mobile may be doing architecture today to say ok maybe we don't need to have.

00:15:56: Super high temperature everyday we giving due to spaces and and how you can

00:16:03: adapt quickly to eat at

00:16:07: I don't I was wondering if you love me you were working with students in the redirect that I was wondering how did it became instrumental in the way to wear dealing with the architect the language show

00:16:21: I'm in a really interesting question but I feel like I could also answer in about 50 different ways

00:16:28: yeah I've been to talk about that project specifically I think there are the novelist very large word is slightly touched on and.

00:16:38: What is the criteria with the students that everybody got a novel which is was sat somewhere they have never been so there was a challenge to understand.

00:16:48: The feeling of a place through only.

00:16:53: And this is a particular example of that because it took so much about

00:17:00: nature and weather and climate and so on Simon that was kind of the initial response I suppose

00:17:07: try to think about

00:17:10: physical manifestation of this place and then architecture there's a lot of discussion of interstitial space on the way that space is used done kind of climate

00:17:23: space and ultimately that kind of the arrangements of the two.

00:17:31: Families became really his Focus you know how do you make an architecture which reflects a kind of a very strict patriarchal hierarchical

00:17:41: Catholics family and postcolonial situation and then how do you make the opposite of Saskia how do you make freedom and this is what I should have came to symbolise for in the Architecture really.

00:17:55: Explain those social ties and social organisation of things.

00:18:02: What does I mean I feel like it I will take it.

00:18:09: To me I read this book world edition new writings and about 2013 so is in my year out and I'm just went back to you

00:18:22: and mc1000 40s started my my masters around that time I become really interested I suppose actually came from first well

00:18:34: reading Happy Hour sun and being completely stuck by the Architecture but also the stories about a about a Pace.

00:18:43: West Africa which I know very well but also feeling like I didn't really understand until I read half of the yellow sun I didn't know

00:18:55: which was very significant.

00:18:59: B and M's and I should have learnt it not even

00:19:05: if not here in the UK I should have certainly had known about him in my going in education but both had been kind of skilled that and actually for that reason number Ireland.

00:19:19: A lot less about work.

00:19:21: The place I grew up but also what is influences architecture and side always been really interested in the Architecture of kind of independence across the continent

00:19:31: and had really it just became something I don't understand where

00:19:37: buildings comes from the Histories what is the better than them and then because I think it has great significance for the places that and it's been describe

00:19:48: my biscuits the time is strangeness of these large houses these which feel like an position summer landscape where is houses like and have a kind of.

00:19:58: They have they had something of the internet connections of landscape connection to the place and I always wanted to.

00:20:06: Questions about architecture and I always find it really funny those that challenge to be able to ask questions for me about

00:20:16: play Neil architecture the role of our sexual establishing

00:20:20: order and power and then into the questions about independence celebrations couldn't come from architecture they came from from fiction but fiction was the place they gave me the book.

00:20:34: Stinking the language to ask the ideas that I think I can text you l'education.

00:20:41: Certainly you might contact in challenge enough to ask me about why this picture what is erased or taking away in place of this what is the Architecture of

00:20:52: West Ham return my very much for asking my special is now and so over the last

00:21:00: 3 years I've been researching domestic housing typologies in the compound house

00:21:08: generation time and you kind of here you see him to this when his house is described with a kind of van

00:21:17: you know his is living and the ways the different parts of Dwellings verandas and it's always been an interest of mine.

00:21:30: I think novels like this and for me to tell the story in the richness of an architecture in the way of living.

00:21:38: In this context and really inspired my practise in terms of wanting to know more about them and research but also them thinking about how

00:21:47: we might make an architecture that is swelling but there's much from the suit

00:21:51: same as a concept like their send for me particular context by Garner contacts across but then also thinking about

00:22:00: London's very diverse population in the way there are housing does not reflect that diversification it's you.

00:22:08: It's not an architecture part of housing architecture design architecture apps understand different modes and practises of living.

00:22:16: So when you read these novels like the switch so centred on how we live how well it's expensive than the way that we think about our kind of everyday rituals and habits

00:22:28: yeah I mean I think that's really.

00:22:30: Is really interesting a lot of things now that you said but I mean one of them was also that you had to pick a book that they actually don't where they don't know.

00:22:40: I didn't know anything about the location where the book it says which I think is a really interesting you no way of approaching.

00:22:47: Of approaching a reading of such a book purple hibiscus in and also what I was thinking about what you were talking was yesterday.

00:22:57: I mean for me some of these two contrasting places where the significance of you know the house CD house.

00:23:07: Family home and then the home she goes to aunt if you know the significance of.

00:23:14: Constraint and freedom how that's contrasted and especially also I think if I remember correctly they also take a flower.

00:23:23: I mean it really struggling me how when she went to the film us.

00:23:30: It was kinda first description or detailed description of other and outside space and as I said now that this connection

00:23:39: the site of the patient where this house is actually can you conduct in the description you know the understanding.

00:23:48: Play sand and how then can be late your surprise to bring back part of this or the significance also being hurt emancipation trying to bring it back to her family

00:24:01: Alicia was wondering what's the if you if you'd like to give you a thoughts on.

00:24:07: And that was really interested by how

00:24:13: all of the symbols like the house the religion and goes together with like the tone and the structure of how does written like that Silence is also.

00:24:25: Can afford trade-in how the people are like I like talking.

00:24:30: Which I found really interesting because it was like easy to see and too kind of here.

00:24:37: The symbols in a way you know that everything was kind of connected between different like senses the I think this is this is something that I found.

00:24:49: Quite special so like Mum when swear.

00:24:52: You could you like whispers or you could feel the resignation within the within the talking of the characters.

00:25:02: I find it difficult to do definitely the look of new and back again like the beginning of Things Fall Apart you have the WB quote

00:25:15: Things Fall Apart the centre cannot hold and I don't know I think that's

00:25:21: Silence is like you know it's almost like this Thailand Justice Centre what you think about conversations in London is certainly about the fishing in the engines what's the relationship between and nothing

00:25:36: the oscillation in the novel between the two places which I looked on Google Maps

00:25:41: the 60 km as a part-time in a really really close together but they seem world's apart I think this oscillation.

00:25:49: Like if integrates the phantom I think that's something last I'm really fascinating but I think that's that's fascinating.

00:25:59: That's what's it in there.

00:26:01: Like these other history that mean that Nan was talking about you know just just now about that she didn't know about I guess they must have been and obviously they were present

00:26:12: where you living never like Christmas I just want to think about this.

00:26:19: Adichie talking about specific places but once I was really enjoyed about her writing especially vampire biscuits.

00:26:30: Or I'm insecure for the Southeast of Nigeria is capturing kind of a

00:26:37: known history of of countries in space that the established themselves on there's a wonderful bit towards the end where is written to and she's talking how country is

00:26:51: government sells and she's talking about the back B and depressed people are writing that have they can't Govern themselves because them so they've got it wrong and she talks about the fact about the government sales

00:27:04: and it sits on the while to get to get it right and that's the kind of struggle with the nation.

00:27:12: And if we're talking this contact would be nice area that's when she break this would have been in its early 14th as a country and so there's a kind of.

00:27:21: Violence that is also about the kind of reflections on a place on the history and for me reading this it was not like so I

00:27:30: corrupt in in Ghanaian moved to the UK when I was in 2010 years my life there and that's fine and post-independence they had been in session

00:27:43: can you military Rule and also the automatic rule

00:27:47: and I'm in that kind of fighting work and I was living there we were just transition in post military I think

00:27:58: and if I get 92

00:28:05: nearest Republic and so there was this but the books me is really there something that feels really close to home and understanding the nature of a place that is trying to find

00:28:17: democracy trying to find independence and the Whispers and the kind of

00:28:21: the boys and but there's something in that silence and the resonating found in the history of a place that is

00:28:30: is loaded that also Beckenham Beckenham towards a new thing.

00:28:36: The way the DJ rights in this novel really understands how history shapes our environments and also how we.

00:28:45: In describing that which is also described.

00:28:51: Assassin's Creed 4 freedom and what it is search for it will find it kind of I think there's something really.

00:29:01: How the weather's use of silence as a tool for not any in writing but also describing places places.

00:29:10: The house of hair extensions really quiet and strangely there's a kind of.

00:29:17: If you describe something in very the marble the cold highwalls everything.

00:29:23: Science Ireland Olympic to the to the figure of the Mother that is quite silence and discreet.

00:29:34: Intellectually wondering how the figure of the dad's the the Tyrone beating his children biting their feet when they die

00:29:44: gets along with the rules of their that are living their everyday life and and the mother the same and how

00:29:53: you have to feeling that is opening himself too

00:29:57: to get out of this article and and how actually the end or the solution of the book is the mother

00:30:08: poisoning the feather and for me a really female crime in silence

00:30:17: of the of the female crime.

00:30:22: Because it's also trying typically physical weakness and services I think the dad's died.

00:30:32: Replace Kevin that is the driver

00:30:36: a woman because he has a really big trace of Valencia tickets

00:30:42: this is me literally the symbol of the man from cold I don't know what did you think of this solution mother escaping this part play

00:30:57: is them through delivery into the Next Generation to the children and because I am reading that too I think in the practise of architecture

00:31:09: you get sometimes where you are proud of this power is them and how you deal with that I was just wondering if you had.

00:31:19: I think what I just want to start spy may be talking a bit more about complexity of the father's character and Perfect Pitch.

00:31:31: What is Santorini strawberry Peter is work is the kind of room that she gives you to contemplate and.

00:31:38: The complexities and I think she might need them sort of labels that's good or bad and she doesn't even give a Kind.

00:31:46: Opinion or judgement on the mother poisoning him she just says she poisoned him that that that is that is that but maybe also think another chubby.

00:31:57: Work actually number poem called vultures and witch.

00:32:02: If you suddenly England with possible kind of GCSE English Anthology and and and and then I knew that parents come from

00:32:14: study English but actually reading when I read a chubby sorry autobiography

00:32:23: include the the poem and and ends with he's subscribing.

00:32:31: People bits of commanders of of war and he describes a bit of it and he talks about the commander Belsen camp.

00:32:40: Going home for the day themes of human race playing in reversing onto his hair in nostrils

00:32:46: will stop at the wayside sweet shops pick up chocolates for his tender offspring waiting at home for daddy's return and then you can please with this

00:32:54: last stanza which has always been stuck with me please if you will let grants

00:33:01: backgrounds evening tiger a tiny Glow-worm Tenderness and capsules and I see craven's of April heart or else the Spur for the poor in the very gem of Kinder forever and I think that complexity of

00:33:19: the human condition is something she described so well in the quality of a father who burned his children's feet with breaks his son's finger but still cries

00:33:31: punishing them because he thinks that he is saving his children or a woman so in raised but yet

00:33:39: Katie of English sheep he loves most exact complexity of.

00:33:46: Character and neither labelling something completely right or wrong that I think is really powerful in this is because she's also describing.

00:33:57: I think larger ideas about.

00:34:01: A country that's fine it's their complexities and history where it is now so that is found in the way that she loses.

00:34:15: Yeah it's the way the mother chooses to kill the father that kind of its complex layered there's also some point just very.

00:34:27: I felt the book very much oxygen is made instinctively.

00:34:33: After an incident just know the sounds now and I fine I don't know there's something that really struck me in back

00:34:41: that was interesting for me anyway you don't be like that he's dying because she has been poisoned till the very end and you think it's political thing in the way it's set up

00:34:52: good at making a connection to the internet family situation

00:34:56: and as he say the larger political situation and even if nation of freedom we were talking about earlier

00:35:06: I think it's incredibly by the way that she paces violence head on you really gets into the mechanisms that you say it

00:35:15: both evil and something else

00:35:24: is it a minute a lot about manhood.

00:35:29: Kind of coercion of manhood to being violent and how how you deal with that man who is also nation and I think it's quite close to being that

00:35:42: I found a really interesting that's in finians work chose to clean their bum the housing design is

00:35:49: based on the mother on matriarchal system so different from and

00:35:56: patriarchal home but can be described as

00:36:01: question actually work

00:36:07: is a story about architecture and place but it's also deeply rooted and family and the family Ties are also asking questions and they shouldn't

00:36:18: tell that played in spinning out there was no find it fascinating I think I mean reading was.

00:36:29: SMS character.

00:36:31: Represented the optimistic Nigerian future in a way that poppers character represented a very different past and so.

00:36:43: That was that was motivation to find a way to make built for him that was somehow this quite hopeful.

00:36:52: Knows which I think.

00:36:56: It's only think about the role that architecture has played historically in nation-building in the postcolony

00:37:07: world and I think it's a kind of.

00:37:11: Maybe his responses that is microcosm didn't you know.

00:37:17: World at the Architecture studio 23 oceanside what happens here and the Arts will be comes out of Prosecco.

00:37:26: In that regard that is a place where freedom can be practised yeah I mean just to go back in the end I just wondering what you thought about Camberley.

00:37:36: A hurricane emotional state at the end because they're all so I had this really.

00:37:43: It was very ambivalent on the one hand I thought that she was kind of.

00:37:49: Capitulating she seems like emptied out because now you know this the father is she.

00:37:56: Has a very complex relationship with I mean it's always this kind of very fine line between dependence.

00:38:05: Defined by very strong dependency and all that goes goes with that kind of wanting to you

00:38:12: pining for this love and respect of the Father but they're not also in experiencing this violence.

00:38:19: And then on the other hand I had the feeling that she was kind of had matures also be in the end it was it was like a very.

00:38:29: Yeah it was a very kind of complex layering of the cat of the evolution of the character of of Camberley.

00:38:36: I was wondering what so what you thought of.

00:38:40: Yeah.

00:38:51: I agree I think that she is a by the anti must be down the culture of Silence.

00:39:00: Range in family and what our brother has now done.

00:39:05: You know this actor of defiance which is also like to the ultimate silence in his completely repressed the truth of the situation as always try to be somebody other than his father.

00:39:19: Backfires and you don't you don't get the Sands I suppose I'm left asking.

00:39:28: You know wondering about her future really because you know that the early encounters with a fiamma.

00:39:35: Are so kind of Revelation E4 Camberley at seems like she's lived a certain kind of life.

00:39:41: And it's heading in a particular Direction and she's offered this alternative model is very powerful thing that sometimes happens when you're not age and.

00:39:50: Suddenly she can see different futures I mean she said that is fine moving parts where she talks about her she.

00:40:00: Cheese us if he has done She laughs and she says like I didn't think I knew how my regarding that have my last.

00:40:09: Found a tuna coming for canvases The Silence.

00:40:14: Reality again you know you get the sense that everything is Transformed.

00:40:21: But then it it was not in her control.

00:40:26: I think father and Martin presents an alternative model

00:40:32: Christianity and 20 model of Man Manliness to her and his company that you last night.

00:40:41: Bring her back to me.

00:40:51: You never know whether she's kind of really like lots of father all kind of hate so I think it's the way I think it's.

00:41:04: Absolutely never said

00:41:06: about about a country through but it is a bit moody frustrating and unbelieving exciting and iPad

00:41:22: kind of like.

00:41:28: What else will you do if the side of my country that is deeply and gravy but also hugely.

00:41:36: You know frustrating now I think we really sore that last year's.

00:41:44: The riots in a boss and when the new starts to question government and based on the violence of there was something about the government and this kind of absolutely country but also.

00:41:58: Understand the cruelty of the state and the way that that functions and I think that a teacher has.

00:42:06: Describe that's a masterpiece and there's always a contrast so in Apa and.

00:42:21: The other priests in

00:42:26: jaja the sea of a contrast in the ways of which she sort of placed these offering to two possibilities of kind of what it means to be a man

00:42:40: a figure of power and that is also needed to a kind of governance or a country or a state what that means.

00:42:50: Renault kwid like to.

00:42:53: If you have a passage that's like to read I think something like a cold that was always in my mind while reading was this Silence is violence

00:43:04: nothing Discovery all the time reflected while while reading the book like.

00:43:12: Both ways of understanding disc quotes.

00:43:17: Violence turns into silence and the other way around I could kind of related in a way to what we were just talking about this usually the

00:43:28: father figure skates get idolised and at the same time when is frustrated with the with this kind of

00:43:36: patriarchy that is never never ending in a not ending in in the near future.

00:43:43: It was the same in in my family structure also then again combined.

00:43:49: Religion and so on so it is it was also interesting to see how.

00:43:57: This was again relatable for me even though I'm talking from about another religion and another another country.

00:44:06: I'm a bit but for me and I would like to read some of the serious

00:44:16: heating by fine but describe things you do well when she's in the garden and pants are fine

00:44:23: passageway just endings for garden with a really struck me was really expensive descriptions to food.

00:44:35: And but the power meals a shared and the kind of order of things and when she talks and when they're home in Papa's house everything is very

00:44:45: precise there's no laughter the table everything is eating them very specific ways there's a kind of distance also with the 3 days where is it from his house or when happen

00:44:58: eating community that's gathered round find

00:45:04: descriptions of moments by describing how they eat and there's so many of them in punctured throughout the story I found them

00:45:13: really really and the about

00:45:18: how the sharing of food was talking about so much more about the order or the kind of freedom or lack thereof

00:45:27: Jesus Christ and it's also sheds work as well acquiring and preparing and that's in the way how

00:45:35: learn to knit

00:45:44: it's actually it's quite nice passages no beginning of book and it brings together some of these things that we've been talking about it isn't

00:45:52: and it takes place on Sunday so charger has just not been to Communion and the family are now.

00:46:01: Sharing a meal and the tension is really rising between.

00:46:07: Drinking cashew cheese producers stage mama started to say charger pushchair back thank you Lord thank you papa thank you Mum.

00:46:16: I turn to start the saying thanks the right way the way we always did after a meal.

00:46:22: But he was also doing what we never did he was leaving the table before papa had said the prayer after meals.

00:46:31: Shadow grow enveloping the whites of his eyes was walking out of the dining room with this place.

00:46:38: Together and then some feedback on his seat his cheeks stroke bulldog.

00:46:44: I reach to my glass instead of the juice watery yellow like your and all of it down my throat and one girl I didn't know what else to do.

00:46:54: I have never happened before in my entire life.

00:46:58: The compound walls with Cranborne I was sure and squash the frangipani trees the skyward cave it.

00:47:05: Persian rugs on stretches of cleaning marble floor with something what happened.

00:47:11: But the only thing that happened was my choking my body shook the coffee.

00:47:16: Papa mama rushed over my back from my shoulders and stop coughing.

00:47:23: That's like a really Direct kind of example of how the Architecture is also used as an emotional state thank you

00:47:31: the last leg

00:47:38: from there the feather is relationship to to catalyse things I think there's and is love to the country and that is.

00:47:46: Bring all this price country I think there is one thing it's Christmas Eve and he's a bit upset or like a night of the speaking about the cement and she would have loved to

00:48:01: to hear a bit more but the birth of the child and the stars in the text different text and there is something about.

00:48:10: It feels like he wants to hear more but bigger ideas on what you can bring and it made me think I really want to read

00:48:23: the Bible and read it from contemporary views

00:48:30: but I really bad today I'm trying to buy a 3-day maybe if I do find it I'll I'll read it send it

00:48:38: they go for a drive in the campus

00:48:41: and me that's a really amazing seem and that she sets there about 10 then

00:48:49: it's so much about the kind of Architecture the place but also a story of hope that came from the university building City University

00:49:00: it's really the first Nigerian university so the university bad on the skills and part of.

00:49:09: British west African university building program so that was held the tablet but it's always been in contrast as somewhere I can see which

00:49:19: is past the University of Nigeria so it has something about the way that she describes the Architecture of houses of

00:49:27: and processes the hilltop window down the hill here.

00:49:34: The houses we drove past sunflower hedges and Tom size flowers Brighton to the foliage in the big yellow polka dot and big Yellow.

00:49:45: The Hedges medication fall so that I can see the backyards of the houses the metal water tank.

00:49:52: Balanced unpainted cement the Old fires they all ties swinging hanging in the guava tree.

00:49:59: Clothes spread out in the lines side street tree at the End of the Street auntie fentanyl the ignition turn the ignition on because the road hope you from love.

00:50:09: That's the university Primary School that's why she may goes used to be is he still be so much better but now the now look at all the missing numbers in the windows little the desk build.

00:50:22: The White Swan Yard enclosed by trimmed whistling tynehead was employed by train was in find hedge was classified with long buildings if they don't bring up as strong as well

00:50:34: former points appointed for building Lexus IS she's asking studies

00:50:39: office was when she took motorbike classes the buildings were old I could tell from the colour from the windows greater than of so many hands that would never shine again

00:50:51: as a farmer drive through the roundabout plant with pink flowers and lined with bricks painted alternative alternative in black and white.

00:51:00: On the road I feel stretched out like a light green bedroom with mango trees and faded leaves struggling to retain their colour against the wind said she has really reached face that she talked about

00:51:15: give me a bit but then she took the rights when they first built these trousers some of the white summer dresses or professor

00:51:24: and back then wants a Chimneys and fireplaces with the kind of indulge and laugh and left out when she talked about people who went to the witch doctors she then pointed to

00:51:35: the vice-chancellor's lodged the high wall surrounding it and how are used to be well standard Hedges of cherry and

00:51:43: until writing students jumped over the hedges and burnt car in the compound and to me why I really like that this is how she

00:51:51: 17 layer descriptions replacer places and also Wi-Fi really funny and I know it was the kind of.

00:52:02: Ideas of what is house in be with a chimney and I really like the fact that woman loves it the same way that it's

00:52:12: Alisha's Attic and a Madness

00:52:19: cultural artefacts in one place to another in the same way that her mum would have lasted that she holds the kind of Madness

00:52:29: colonisation and kind of miss copying of kind of architectural artefacts without understanding

00:52:36: the cultural nuances she holds it in the same Madness as she does.

00:52:41: The same way how religious mother does that just really actually really funny.

00:52:50: No I mean this descriptions of cousins having is just amazing that then suddenly everything goes.

00:52:57: Technicolour is almost like I have these images in black and white movie and then suddenly you've got.

00:53:04: Flowers and yeah these descriptions are so thank you very much everyone.

00:53:10: I was really great to discuss that with biscuits with you or yeah have a good day.